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If you are used to a Pyrenees mix, I wonder if a purebred lab or golden will seem super high energy? Pyrenees are generally very calm and laid back-not a breed I would consider high energy; however, with lab or herding breeds in the mix, that might amp up their activity level a bit. Just a thought.

As far as labs vs. goldens, I can only speak from my experiences with them as a groomer, as a golden owner, and as someone who knows lots of purebred labs and lab mixes (however, I have never actually seen or met a well bred lab, so bear in mind that these things I'm stating about labs are all about the ones from bad breeders-I imagine a well bred lab would be much different!). In my grooming experience, labs are far more likely to have some form of aggression-fear, dog on dog, even towards people. I actually use as much caution with an unfamiliar lab as I would with a breed like a pit that is well known to have aggression in many individuals in the breed! However, having said that, I don't believe I've EVER seen or groomed a lab that actually came from a good breeder. But the fact is, my own golden is the only golden I've ever groomed that comes from a great breeder; and I've only groomed two goldens out of dozens that had any forms of aggression. So it would seem that even from bad breeders, goldens are still tending to have better temperaments. As far as training, my goldens and any golden I've ever worked with is like the easiest thing in the world to train-they are incredibly smart and are deeply loyal and want to please you! Any labs I've ever worked with are a bit more stubborn and just don't seem quite as smart or loyal as goldens (not that they aren't smart, I just think goldens are even smarter!). Actually, the most stubborn dog I ever worked with was a 6-7 month old lab puppy-I was helping his young owner teach him to sit-that dog locked his back legs and flat out refused to sit, even while pushing firmly on his rump and offering treats! As far as activity, both are high energy and will need adequate exercise in order to avoid destructive behavior-and that is more than just a leash walk around the block, lots of off leash running time, playing fetch, long hikes, my golden even goes on 10-15 mile or more horse rides with us. Labs I've worked with seem more hyper and seem to have less of an off switch (unless they are morbidly obese-which is also a tendency I see in ALL dog breeds-but you don't want to overfeed your dog just to make him "calm". And while we're on the subject, I feel like conformation labs are shown obese which is terrible for teaching the public what a lab should look like-now everybody thinks their obese lab is how they are supposed to look.) My goldens have been go all day full speed ahead while outside, and then total couch potatoes/cuddle bugs inside. Some of the more poorly bred goldens I've groomed are more hyper to. Both breeds shed a lot, but labs shed so much they almost make goldens look like they don't shed, lol. Both breeds have health issues so you'll want to find a breeder who is doing all the recommended clearances. Basically, in my experience, if you want a lab or a golden that will be the dog with the temperament, train-ability, looks, etc that they are supposed to have, make sure you find a REPUTABLE breeder! Obviously, I'm prejudiced toward goldens but whatever breed you get, you will be SO GLAD you got one from a reputable breeder-there is a very noticeable difference between well-bred and poorly bred (or even just so-so bred).



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When I was 11, my mom asked our veterinarian -- who is now my own dogs' vet -- what breeds he'd recommend for a family.

Labs and Goldens, was his reply.

My mom asked him which would be better, if there was a difference

The vet instantly answered, "They're both wonderful, but Labs are more boisterous."

We ended up bringing home a magnificent female Golden Retriever later that year from what was then a reputable, well-known, local kennel. Her name was Chelsea, and she lived until I was 24.

I think his explanation does better justice to the breeds than my typical wordiness could ever do.


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We have had three Golden Retrievers and one Black Lab. (we also had a Saint Bernard) I totally agree with someone above who mentioned the hair. Golden's hair is easier to clean up. Our lab's hair was in everything. Even in the wash! It would weave in fabrics and was always there. Our black lab only loved me, which was strange, since I thought they loved everyone. We laughed and called her a German Shepherd in a lab's body. All of our Goldens were wonderful. I miss hugging her with her fur and she was so gentle. When the Golden's would jump, you wouldn't even feel them, they were so gentle. The Lab, well, she could knock you down. We have been without our Cassie now for six months.....six months today. We miss her so much. We can't do the puppy thing any longer, so we are getting a White Golden Retriever in June. She will be almost eight months and trained, well as trained as they can be at 8 months. We wanted a different color, since Cassie was a dark golden, our first one was medium gold and our second one was a light gold. So, we opted for white. We get videos of her and pictures so we can watch her grow and can't wait to have her come home. I guess I would have to say I'm very partial to a Golden Retriever, but I truly loved my black lab!!
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If you are used to a Pyrenees mix, I wonder if a purebred lab or golden will seem super high energy? Pyrenees are generally very calm and laid back-not a breed I would consider high energy; however, with lab or herding breeds in the mix, that might amp up their activity level a bit. Just a thought.

As far as labs vs. goldens, I can only speak from my experiences with them as a groomer, as a golden owner, and as someone who knows lots of purebred labs and lab mixes (however, I have never actually seen or met a well bred lab, so bear in mind that these things I'm stating about labs are all about the ones from bad breeders-I imagine a well bred lab would be much different!). In my grooming experience, labs are far more likely to have some form of aggression-fear, dog on dog, even towards people. I actually use as much caution with an unfamiliar lab as I would with a breed like a pit that is well known to have aggression in many individuals in the breed! However, having said that, I don't believe I've EVER seen or groomed a lab that actually came from a good breeder. But the fact is, my own golden is the only golden I've ever groomed that comes from a great breeder; and I've only groomed two goldens out of dozens that had any forms of aggression. So it would seem that even from bad breeders, goldens are still tending to have better temperaments. As far as training, my goldens and any golden I've ever worked with is like the easiest thing in the world to train-they are incredibly smart and are deeply loyal and want to please you! Any labs I've ever worked with are a bit more stubborn and just don't seem quite as smart or loyal as goldens (not that they aren't smart, I just think goldens are even smarter!). Actually, the most stubborn dog I ever worked with was a 6-7 month old lab puppy-I was helping his young owner teach him to sit-that dog locked his back legs and flat out refused to sit, even while pushing firmly on his rump and offering treats! As far as activity, both are high energy and will need adequate exercise in order to avoid destructive behavior-and that is more than just a leash walk around the block, lots of off leash running time, playing fetch, long hikes, my golden even goes on 10-15 mile or more horse rides with us. Labs I've worked with seem more hyper and seem to have less of an off switch (unless they are morbidly obese-which is also a tendency I see in ALL dog breeds-but you don't want to overfeed your dog just to make him "calm". And while we're on the subject, I feel like conformation labs are shown obese which is terrible for teaching the public what a lab should look like-now everybody thinks their obese lab is how they are supposed to look.) My goldens have been go all day full speed ahead while outside, and then total couch potatoes/cuddle bugs inside. Some of the more poorly bred goldens I've groomed are more hyper to. Both breeds shed a lot, but labs shed so much they almost make goldens look like they don't shed, lol. Both breeds have health issues so you'll want to find a breeder who is doing all the recommended clearances. Basically, in my experience, if you want a lab or a golden that will be the dog with the temperament, train-ability, looks, etc that they are supposed to have, make sure you find a REPUTABLE breeder! Obviously, I'm prejudiced toward goldens but whatever breed you get, you will be SO GLAD you got one from a reputable breeder-there is a very noticeable difference between well-bred and poorly bred (or even just so-so bred).
Thank you for all the info, very useful. You make Goldens sound like the perfect breed for me lol

And I think it will definitely seem high energy compared to our dog who slept most of the day (unfortunately had to put him down Thursday) but when he was younger he was more active, actually a real pain the first few years lol, and I also walk and train my brother’s dogs a couple times a week and despite being a Pyrenees mix, the one is very high energy and very intelligent so I think that is good practice for a sporting breed lol she is Pyrenees, Lab, Boxer, and something else, possibly herding breed.

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When I was 11, my mom asked our veterinarian -- who is now my own dogs' vet -- what breeds he'd recommend for a family.

Labs and Goldens, was his reply.

My mom asked him which would be better, if there was a difference

The vet instantly answered, "They're both wonderful, but Labs are more boisterous."

We ended up bringing home a magnificent female Golden Retriever later that year from what was then a reputable, well-known, local kennel. Her name was Chelsea, and she lived until I was 24.

I think his explanation does better justice to the breeds than my typical wordiness could ever do.
Thank you, I like that description and your Golden sounds wonderful.

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We have had three Golden Retrievers and one Black Lab. (we also had a Saint Bernard) I totally agree with someone above who mentioned the hair. Golden's hair is easier to clean up. Our lab's hair was in everything. Even in the wash! It would weave in fabrics and was always there. Our black lab only loved me, which was strange, since I thought they loved everyone. We laughed and called her a German Shepherd in a lab's body. All of our Goldens were wonderful. I miss hugging her with her fur and she was so gentle. When the Golden's would jump, you wouldn't even feel them, they were so gentle. The Lab, well, she could knock you down. We have been without our Cassie now for six months.....six months today. We miss her so much. We can't do the puppy thing any longer, so we are getting a White Golden Retriever in June. She will be almost eight months and trained, well as trained as they can be at 8 months. We wanted a different color, since Cassie was a dark golden, our first one was medium gold and our second one was a light gold. So, we opted for white. We get videos of her and pictures so we can watch her grow and can't wait to have her come home. I guess I would have to say I'm very partial to a Golden Retriever, but I truly loved my black lab!!
Sorry for your loss How exciting about the new puppy though!! You will have to post pictures. I think I am starting to lean more towards a Golden but my only hesitation is ear problems and the coat care.
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I think I am starting to lean more towards a Golden but my only hesitation is ear problems and the coat care.
If you mean ear infections, Labs get those too. Best way to prevent is weekly cleaning and after every bath or swim your dog takes.



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Only one of our Golden's had ear issues, and we just put drops in a couple of times/week and she was fine. Between our lab and Goldens, I think the Goldens need more brushing (especially behind the ears, as I saw someone else also mentioned), but we made it a fun time and she liked it (of course, treats were involved). I'm sure you will love whatever you get, hey, you could get one of each!!!!
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