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Hi...I have both a golden retriever (2 1/2) and a labrador retriever (10 months)...they are both playful, loveable and loads of fun. They both shed, have unique, fantastic personalities and I love them like crazy.
They both sound amazing! Do you find their trainability similar? I assume that is them in your avatar. Beautiful dogs.
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I own a Lab, several Goldens, and a Clumber. The Clumber is the most recent addition and I now just laugh when people talk about Labs and Goldens shedding because neither breed has anything on a Clumber. Clumbers shed every moment of the day - literally every second.

Comparing my Goldens and Lab - I like the golden coat way better but I appreciate how driven and focused my lab is. (My lab also makes beautiful, sweet puppies.)
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I own a Lab, several Goldens, and a Clumber. The Clumber is the most recent addition and I now just laugh when people talk about Labs and Goldens shedding because neither breed has anything on a Clumber. Clumbers shed every moment of the day - literally every second.

Comparing my Goldens and Lab - I like the golden coat way better but I appreciate how driven and focused my lab is. (My lab also makes beautiful, sweet puppies.)
So you do think labs are focused and able to learn well and listen/obey?
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Regarding focus, I think it totally depends on the dogs personality and breeding. In my experience, Goldens are very focused and intelligent. They excell at Obedience, seemingly over Labradors and plenty succeed at service dog work.

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Regarding focus, I think it totally depends on the dogs personality and breeding.
OP, I agree with that statement. My Lab is a breeder for a service dog organization. (This means she's part of their breeding colony and her puppies are sent out to volunteer puppy raisers with the hope they'll become service dogs when they reach age 2.) They're breeding for personality and focus. So, my Lab has a terrific personality and is very task focused. My Goldens from good breeders are also focused and were easy to train. My golden that was rescued from a backyard breeder who was also a meth-head is not focused and took an unbelievable level of patience and time to train.

If it were me, I'd pick the breed you like better and look for a high quality breeder. You really can't go wrong with a well bred Lab or Golden. (I absolutely recommend Clumbers, too. They're terrific dogs. But you have to love snoring, shedding, and slobber.)
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Regarding focus, I think it totally depends on the dogs personality and breeding.
I also agree very much with this. I have seen both Goldens and Labs who are very focused and hard working and trainable. Some of the field-bred Labs are way to the extreme in terms of drive and desire to work and resilience - which is GREAT if you want a serious field competitor. If you want a hunting companion and pet, you can get that in either a Golden or a Lab.

For me, I love Goldens, have only ever had Goldens, and will always have Goldens. I love their softness (fur and heart) and their energy and their trainability. I like a dog who I can do lots of different dog sports with, but who will be happy to curl up on the couch when we're done.

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Oh my gosh, my heart.... THIS!!!

I'm also a sporting dog person, even though I love dogs in general. I've known brilliant Labs and brilliant Goldens, food motivated and people-pleasing dogs of both breeds. But nothing is like burying your fingers and your face into to the ruff of a Golden when you need comfort or just a snuggle. Plus, there is just something so wonderfully gorgeous and regal about a well bred Golden (and I don't mean just a fluffy conformation bred dog - FYI: This girl with Santa is perfectly gorgeous https://www.goldenretrieverforum.com...ala-santa.html (Shala and Santa)
Aw, thanks. She is also just a wonderful dog to live with. And the OP, she is exactly what I wanted in a dog. If you find a good breeder, you can basically tell them what you are hoping for in your dog, and they will try to make the best match possible. I wanted high energy, highly trainable, one that would go go go, have a good rest, then be ready to go again. And that's what I got - and more. So finding a good breeder, of whatever breed you decide to go with, is key.

I also have to say, there are a number of Brittany spaniels in my neighbourhood. If you are able to give them the kind of exercise they need (ie. tons - and tons of space to run), they are also really great dogs. I love watching them run and run and run in the parks.

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I also agree very much with this. I have seen both Goldens and Labs who are very focused and hard working and trainable. Some of the field-bred Labs are way to the extreme in terms of drive and desire to work and resilience - which is GREAT if you want a serious field competitor. If you want a hunting companion and pet, you can get that in either a Golden or a Lab.

For me, I love Goldens, have only ever had Goldens, and will always have Goldens. I love their softness (fur and heart) and their energy and their trainability. I like a dog who I can do lots of different dog sports with, but who will be happy to curl up on the couch when we're done.



Aw, thanks. She is also just a wonderful dog to live with. And the OP, she is exactly what I wanted in a dog. If you find a good breeder, you can basically tell them what you are hoping for in your dog, and they will try to make the best match possible. I wanted high energy, highly trainable, one that would go go go, have a good rest, then be ready to go again. And that's what I got - and more. So finding a good breeder, of whatever breed you decide to go with, is key.

I also have to say, there are a number of Brittany spaniels in my neighbourhood. If you are able to give them the kind of exercise they need (ie. tons - and tons of space to run), they are also really great dogs. I love watching them run and run and run in the parks.
Okay I realize this is totally off-topic but speaking of Brittanys I have a hilarious video of a Brittany Spaniel who is owned by one of the employees at our private dog park. She gets the run of the grounds when she's working (beautiful forested areas) and once she sees a bird or a squirrel, she sits down and has LASER FOCUS. Scully will walk up to her and sit next to her and kiss her face and she just keeps staring. It's hilarious and so so cute. Video below.
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Regarding focus, I think it totally depends on the dogs personality and breeding. In my experience, Goldens are very focused and intelligent. They excell at Obedience, seemingly over Labradors and plenty succeed at service dog work.
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Regarding focus, I think it totally depends on the dogs personality and breeding.
OP, I agree with that statement. My Lab is a breeder for a service dog organization. (This means she's part of their breeding colony and her puppies are sent out to volunteer puppy raisers with the hope they'll become service dogs when they reach age 2.) They're breeding for personality and focus. So, my Lab has a terrific personality and is very task focused. My Goldens from good breeders are also focused and were easy to train. My golden that was rescued from a backyard breeder who was also a meth-head is not focused and took an unbelievable level of patience and time to train.

If it were me, I'd pick the breed you like better and look for a high quality breeder. You really can't go wrong with a well bred Lab or Golden. (I absolutely recommend Clumbers, too. They're terrific dogs. But you have to love snoring, shedding, and slobber.)
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Regarding focus, I think it totally depends on the dogs personality and breeding.
I also agree very much with this. I have seen both Goldens and Labs who are very focused and hard working and trainable. Some of the field-bred Labs are way to the extreme in terms of drive and desire to work and resilience - which is GREAT if you want a serious field competitor. If you want a hunting companion and pet, you can get that in either a Golden or a Lab.

For me, I love Goldens, have only ever had Goldens, and will always have Goldens. I love their softness (fur and heart) and their energy and their trainability. I like a dog who I can do lots of different dog sports with, but who will be happy to curl up on the couch when we're done.

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Oh my gosh, my heart.... THIS!!!

I'm also a sporting dog person, even though I love dogs in general. I've known brilliant Labs and brilliant Goldens, food motivated and people-pleasing dogs of both breeds. But nothing is like burying your fingers and your face into to the ruff of a Golden when you need comfort or just a snuggle. Plus, there is just something so wonderfully gorgeous and regal about a well bred Golden (and I don't mean just a fluffy conformation bred dog - FYI: This girl with Santa is perfectly gorgeous <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /> https://www.goldenretrieverforum.com...ala-santa.html (Shala and Santa)
<img src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" class="inlineimg" /><img src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" class="inlineimg" /> Aw, thanks. She is also just a wonderful dog to live with. And the OP, she is exactly what I wanted in a dog. If you find a good breeder, you can basically tell them what you are hoping for in your dog, and they will try to make the best match possible. I wanted high energy, highly trainable, one that would go go go, have a good rest, then be ready to go again. And that's what I got - and more. So finding a good breeder, of whatever breed you decide to go with, is key.

I also have to say, there are a number of Brittany spaniels in my neighbourhood. If you are able to give them the kind of exercise they need (ie. tons - and tons of space to run), they are also really great dogs. I love watching them run and run and run in the parks.
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I also agree very much with this. I have seen both Goldens and Labs who are very focused and hard working and trainable. Some of the field-bred Labs are way to the extreme in terms of drive and desire to work and resilience - which is GREAT if you want a serious field competitor. If you want a hunting companion and pet, you can get that in either a Golden or a Lab.

For me, I love Goldens, have only ever had Goldens, and will always have Goldens. I love their softness (fur and heart) and their energy and their trainability. I like a dog who I can do lots of different dog sports with, but who will be happy to curl up on the couch when we're done.



<img src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" class="inlineimg" /><img src="/images/smilies/redface.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Embarrassment" class="inlineimg" /> Aw, thanks. She is also just a wonderful dog to live with. And the OP, she is exactly what I wanted in a dog. If you find a good breeder, you can basically tell them what you are hoping for in your dog, and they will try to make the best match possible. I wanted high energy, highly trainable, one that would go go go, have a good rest, then be ready to go again. And that's what I got - and more. So finding a good breeder, of whatever breed you decide to go with, is key.

I also have to say, there are a number of Brittany spaniels in my neighbourhood. If you are able to give them the kind of exercise they need (ie. tons - and tons of space to run), they are also really great dogs. I love watching them run and run and run in the parks.
Okay I realize this is totally off-topic but speaking of Brittanys I have a hilarious video of a Brittany Spaniel who is owned by one of the employees at our private dog park. She gets the run of the grounds when she's working (beautiful forested areas) and once she sees a bird or a squirrel, she sits down and has LASER FOCUS. Scully will walk up to her and sit next to her and kiss her face and she just keeps staring. It's hilarious and so so cute. Video below.
Thank you for the replies on this everyone. I am glad both breeds can be focused and hard working because that is definitely important to me even though it will mostly just be a pet. I want to do nosework and possibly agility although of course if the dog doesn’t want to that is fine too. But I also just love to train and teach tricks or just randomly do training games or practice obedience throughout the day or practicing when we go places and I like teaching when teachable moments come up so it’s important they’re willing and motivated enough. Though of course I’m not like a jerk or too strict and no downtime ever or anything like that, there’s plenty of fun and playing too, but I would like one that can work when it’s time to work. And from what I’ve read, Labs seem to like working for a reward while Goldens just like doing it cause it’s what you want, maybe you guys said that, but for me, I don’t really mind so much because I think a dog should be rewarded (I certainly wouldn’t want to work for no pay) so I don’t mind giving treats or having a dog that wants to work for a ball or tug toy or whatever. That’s fine by me. Just as long as they have the drive to work and be motivated by SOMETHING, be it praise, toys, food, or otherwise. And of course I’d try to wean off rewards eventually but i don't mind at the beginning. Do you think Labs can ever be off leash? That is probably a loaded question that has tons of variables but I would love to have a dog that I could take hiking or to the field down the road and not have to have a leash on him all the time or dragging a 15, 20, 30, or 50 foot long line behind him for freedom. I think I could have almost any dog well trained though because I love training (working on becoming a dog trainer) and while I haven’t trained very many dogs, the ones I have been Pyrenees mixes that all have a stubborn, independent streak. So I’m used to it lol our dog is a Black Lab/Great Pyrenees and my brother’s dog is a Great Pyrenees/Lab/Boxer and something else (test said 25% unknown, either herding or toy/companion breed. We think maybe BC cause she’s very smart and has an intense stare plus the rescue had originally said Pyrenees/Border Collie but we thought it was just cause of her color). Anyway, Gator and Libby are very very intelligent, learn stuff in a matter of minutes, and love food and toys so it makes it easier. Libby is also more energetic than Gator, proba because of the other breeds mixed in, she’s fairly high energy and super smart. She loves learning. But if she doesn’t want to do something, she will not and Gator is the same way. Finding the right motivation can be challenging. Libby also does not have a great recall and has always been more independent even as a puppy, would rather eat sticks and things in the yard, than be super close to you and not very affectionate. So makes her harder to train, not as people pleasing. At least Gator despite being independent and often in it for himself is more people pleasing. There has to be something in it for Libby. Franklin on the other hand is veryyyyy people pleasing and very sweet, cuddly, and sensitive. He’s actually a little bit of a nervous dog and I’ve been working on getting him less afraid of stuff. But he will do things just to get some love, cuddles, pats, praise, whatever you wanna call it, or his ball. But I think he’d actually rather work for you than for food or the ball, even though he LOVES balls. That personality is definitely very nice to work with. He is supposed to be Pyrenees/Collie but I kind of think he’s part sporting breed just based on how sweet, cuddly, loving he is, his love/obsession with balls, love of water, and he sometimes points, and his coat is a mix of white and reddish gold and is speckled/ticked/whatever on legs and face. They plan on DNA testing him soon. For the record, they are my brother’s and his fiancÚ’s dogs but they live 2 miles down the road and I walk and train them multiple times a week. They got Libby in February at 12 weeks so she just turned a year old and Franklin they added in September, I think he was 16 weeks. Born in June. He’s 6 months now. Anyway, sorry, I know that was kind of random, but do you think that shows a little bit of the difference between breeds? I know these dogs are mutts but it sounds similar to what you guys were saying. Libby is also more active, has to check everything out first, Franklin and Gator just flop down lol but inside they all settle well and sleep all afternoon after exercise. I think that is ideal.
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Speaking from experience, not ALL Goldens are 'soft' compared to Labs. My former field retriever Axl, NEVER met a lab that he couldn't out run, out swim, out jump and work circles around....even @ 8 years old before hemangio cruelly took his life. His single minded drive and ability to focus was legendary, as was his speed, agility, and physical coordination. There was nothing he didn't excel at. It was actually comical to watch him out run and out swim young, fit labs a third his age.

That said, I now have a lab mix rescue (mostly lab) and another field golden. Although the lab is bigger (90 lbs) and physically stronger, little Max (68 lbs) routinely out performs him when it comes to retrieving and especially swimming, it's not even close.


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Speaking from experience, not ALL Goldens are 'soft' compared to Labs. My former field retriever Axl, NEVER met a lab that he couldn't out run, out swim, out jump and work circles around....even @ 8 years old before hemangio cruelly took his life. His single minded drive and ability to focus was legendary, as was his speed, agility, and physical coordination. There was nothing he didn't excel at. It was actually comical to watch him out run and out swim young, fit labs a third his age.

That said, I now have a lab mix rescue (mostly lab) and another field golden. Although the lab is bigger (90 lbs) and physically stronger, little Max (68 lbs) routinely out performs him when it comes to retrieving and especially swimming, it's not even close.
Your dogs sound amazing!! I think it’s more the show ones that are little softer and calmer? Field ones are definitely very athletic. From what I understand, field Labs are too so that is surprising. Were they field or show Labs? I was thinking a show/field mix might be good. I really like the looks of this litter, the sire sounds incredible, but I don’t think I’m ready for a puppy so soon. She was bred a couple weeks ago according to their FB page so the puppies probably wouldn’t be ready until at least late March or early April based on normal breeding timeframes but that is still a little bit soon for me. But it sounds like it will be an incredible litter. At least I think so. Thoughts? The first one, the Danno/Truly litter. I think they are also planning another litter but I really like Danno. Although the other one sounds good too.

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