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Interestingly kids never seem to get it wrong. When we go out with our dogs grownups say the weirdest most random thing. Kids almost always go, “Look at the Golden Retriever”.
I've noticed that too! So many people ask me if my dog is a mix, and it's odd how many are genuinely surprised when I say she's all golden. She doesn't look like anything else and is a very typical golden. But the kids always say they want to "pet the golden retriever".

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I wouldn't take offense. Not everyone is up on dog breeds and what they look like. The maintenance man when we moved asked if Chloe was a lab. I just said nope a golden. He goes oh that makes sense. Same thing with the English cream. Not everyone is up on everything when it comes to dogs.
Totally agree with this.

I get asked all the time if Shala is a puppy, or if she is mixed with Duck Toller. I don't take offense at all. She IS small and red - a very petite (but perfectly proportioned) 46 pounds at the moment - and much more rare in my neighbourhood of pretty standard medium gold to light gold Goldens. I often wind up telling people she actually IS breed standard (thanks to that one-inch leeway on height!) and that the big, huge 100-pound Goldens they might see are not. But mostly, people are just making conversation while they love all over my dog and rave to me how soft, how beautiful, how sweet she is. I never take offense at that!
Plus - I always keep in mind that while I DO know most large breeds, I have no idea what is what in the small dog world. Havanese, Pekingnese, Coton, Shih Tzu, etc. I wouldn't even try to guess.

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... And this is the Doodle puppy I puppy sat and she was really bright...
Oh my gosh, what a super cute little girl! Honestly she looks like a Golden puppy with a perm Sounds like she got all the best traits of both gene pools.

Christen, your puppy is just gorgeous - I can't imagine how people thing doodle when they see her. I guess she will just have to be the "Golden Ambassador" in your town.

I have several friends in my neighborhood with doodles. Nobody is pretentious about it - almost all of them just wanted a good family dog of a smaller size that wouldn't shed. They want the Golden personality in a smaller package without the shedding.

What strikes me is that all these bright, educated people didn't think through the process of genetics, you don't get to pick and choose which traits you get. They honestly bought into the idea that you can somehow choose the poodle coat but not the poodle personality/temperament etc. I will also say that pretty much none of the people have the interest or time to really give these dogs the level of training and engagement they need to be easy to live with. The Doodles I know do have more temperament issue than I would have expected.

I understand why the average person would not want a poodle, every poodle I know is either a handful or a bit of a pill with a lot of, um, personality, I guess would be the term. The only one I know I would want is a tiny toy who is about 2 years old and will snuggle and let you dress her up in costumes - so fun It's just funny to me that people don't want a poodle but line up to pay big money for poodle mixes.


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... I often wind up telling people she actually IS breed standard (thanks to that one-inch leeway on height!) and that the big, huge 100-pound Goldens they might see are not.....
Same!!! (not the Toller part, but "IS she a puppy?") I love informing people that Ellie (she is low end of the standard and right at 50 pounds) is exactly what she is supposed to be and never miss a chance to educate anyone who wants to talk dogs I bet Shala has a huge fan club, she is super cute, I wish I could meet her sometime - any thoughts of taking her to the National in St. Louis next year?????


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I honestly think that the temperament issues boil down to not breeding the best of either breed. I had three poodles growing up. I adored my little toy poodle (was kept as a show prospect but outgrew the standard) he could intimidate dogs ten times bigger but was the absolute sweetest with people, good with the other dogs and smart as a whip. Not high strung at all and a piece of cake to train. I honestly think under the right circumstances-health texting, the best breeding stock, etc.-that doodles could be a decent dog breed. We breed goldens with good temperament, I don’t know any reason why if you bred a great golden temperament to a very similar and great poodle temperament that it wouldn’t have a good temperament. I think it’s just too many people with zero breeding knowledge or experience putting together their goldens and poodles.

At the same time, the standard poodle is exactly what most doodle owners want and they’re adorable puppies so I don’t see the need for a doodle. Too bad the poodle marketing isn’t as good as the doodle marketing haha.
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I wouldn't take offense. Not everyone is up on dog breeds and what they look like. The maintenance man when we moved asked if Chloe was a lab. I just said nope a golden. He goes oh that makes sense. Same thing with the English cream. Not everyone is up on everything when it comes to dogs.
I agree with this. Have had few breed queries about my dogs and I think that it is great the people are interested, perhaps considering getting a dog of their own and happen to like what they are seeing in my dogs.



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I never got offended by people not knowing what Cooper was (heard Great Pyrnees a few times) but the doodle thing gets to me. Even the English Cream question doesn’t bug me like the doodle question.
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It's just funny to me that people don't want a poodle but line up to pay big money for poodle mixes.
I actually use that when I am approached in public and they express that they are interested in buying doodles (usually after saying they love Goldens, but the hair). I say, “Oh, you must love poodles then”. They usually respond with a not really or sometimes that the do not like them at all. Then I respond that it is interesting they are looking for a mix breed that they are not excited about both breeds involved in the mix. I also suggest rescuing at that point.

I then mentioned that both breed clubs are against the mix, most mix breeders have to source their stock from mills and to research the health testing that should be done on both breeds since they have things likehip Dysplasia and epilepsy in common.

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Kind of harsh especially from someone who works with dogs.

I have a ton of customers with Doodles that I really like. They're not stupid at all. Yeah some are high strung, but that's with all breeds. My employer has a Doodle and she's really sweet. Smart, too. And this is the Doodle puppy I puppy sat and she was really bright. She was very respectful of Chance and learned the ways of our routine within a day. I think she's darling, but everyone has their own opinion.
It's not harsh because these are my experiences as someone who works with dogs. It may just be my area - I live very close to the puppy mill area of Pennsylvania and we have a lot of less than stellar breeders within a couple of hours of us.

I'm glad you've met a couple good doodles though. The puppy you puppy sat is very cute, I'm glad she got along with Chance so well!
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