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Flat Coated retriever

We are fostering/considering adopting a flat coated retriever. She is 4 years old, has a great recall great heel on and off leash, still working with her on sit/stay, down/stay. Unfortunately she has not had easy and loving four years. She was crated for long periods of time and when she barked because of the crate she was subjected to a bark collar which made her figure out how to howl (not really howl but a weird noise) to avoid setting off the bark collar.
She does retrieve but she has to be reinforced to bring it to the person who threw the bumper.
Over the weekend we noticed that she is VERY gun shy. To the point that even our Rose started to get spooked. We stopped it all together with her, took her inside and worked just with Rose while one of us was inside with the FTR. But while inside the FCR was even more scared.

Any ideas on how to work with her? Should I just give up on the gun for now? I really do not want to affect Rose.


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Is there anything you can use that has a similar sound, but much softer. Maybe a cap gun or I know it's stupid but the bubble wrap. Get her use to a popping sound, then maybe a cap gun sound then maybe a gun sound from far away, then closer and closer. We were at an event with Golden Retriever Rescue and there was a police demonstration. They shot off a gun for the demonstration and all the Goldens, except Tayla were either barking or trying to get away. Tayla wanted to go towards to see what the fun was.

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yeah - the disappointing thing was the fact that we did use the cap gun. After the first shot she ran towards it so we thought she was OK, second she had doubts, third she ran back to the cabin door. Once inside she hid behind the bedroom door.
We'll go back to the cabin this weekend. I figured to take Rose all the way up in the field and work with her there while one of us stays just outside the cabin with Darcy (my daughter is across the ocean so it is only me and DH working with them). Maybe then thru the walkie talkie to communicate and come closer to the cabin with Rose.
I am out of ideas!


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For whatever reason some dogs are just gun shy. She may make a great dog in other events. Find something she is really good at. With Tayla it's her nose. After Sunday, it could be her swimming endurance, but I don't think there is a dog sport for that!

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Get a tape recorder (yes, they still make them) and record the sounds of the cap gun. No other sounds on the tape, just the gun at irregular intervals.
Play it for Darcy, softly while she is inside the house. The sound goes off, she gets a treat. Gradually increase the volume, every three days or so. Once she is comfortable with the loud sound indoors, move to just outside the cabin and start over. Don't rush it, slow and steady.

A friend got his hunting Lab puppy last Fall. The breeder has a gun go off every hour, during the daylight hours. They breed a lot of Labs and start their training early. The puppies are out close to the gun at times, at other times they are further away. It teaches them to ignore the sound.
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I wonder if there is a licking endurance test! I mean can she lick! I let her lick me and see if she can stop on her own. After 3 minutes I thought she will take the skin off my leg and finally had to stop her. She is super sensitive to correction so I have to be very very careful with her. I have used different voice tones with "Knock it off" on the licking, but the moment you make eye contact she wants to stand and lick you AGAIN.
Good part is that she has not had to use the crate at all, we put the baby gates back on and her and Rose get along wonderfully. After a week, they can even eat next to each other, have dental bones next to each other.They have two bedrooms and the hallway at their disposal when not at home. They both sleep on the bed. Darcy does not really know how to play and that frustrates Rose a bit; Darcy barked at Rose one time when Rose was too pushy but then she laid down, belly up next to Rose as if saying she was sorry she barked at her.


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Yes - I do have a tape recorder and tapes. I used it with my daughter for her out loud reading/intonation and history in middle school. I could record the cap gun at the cabin and then play it at different volumes inside and outside and before each meal.
At first I thought about shooting the cap gun inside before each meal at home, but the moment the idea came out of my mouth I realized how horrible it was. But the recording may be better for both my ears and their ears.


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Sweet. We will be looking for a companion for Tayla in the next few months. I've never had a male dog and think that might be a good idea, but I've had two females before and they were fine with each other so I don't think it makes much difference. We just want a sweet Golden, one who has settled down a little so I'm thinking 2-3 and one that loves to cuddle as that is a requirement of my husband's.

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There is just one problem with this thread. Where are the pictures???
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My fault entirely in regards to the picture. Here there are both of them on the dog couch at the cabin.
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