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Too skinny? And grooming?

Hi Everyone! Recently a new owner of my first Golden Retreiver as of March! We got him at 13 weeks old and he has just been a bundle of joy and wow we already will never get a different breed!

Nash was born on December 1 - making him about 6.5 months old. He was last weighed at the beginning of the month at 58 lbs. Which seems very high actually for his age, but he is growing so fast. However, he looks very skinny. We feed him about 2.5 cups a day of Royal Canin Golden Retreiver Puppy and he chows it down very quickly. It took quite some time to find the food he loved and will just eat dry and of course he picked a very expensive one, but hey he is happy! He received about 2-3 standard size treats a day on a normal day. But boy he looks so skinny. Everyone comments on it and makes me feel like a bad Doggy Dad because people think he doesn't eat! I need some opinions! He sees his vet for regular 6 month check up in a few weeks but wanted to get other opinions first! I have uploaded some photos the best I could get of him to show his body size!

Also - does anyone have any tips on grooming? It is our first dog that sheds this much. We have been bathing him regularly (once a week). But is it time he gets a hair cut? Any good experience with PetSmart - it is very local and convenient. Is the FURMinator package a helpful thing for his shedding? Or should we just consider doing bathing still and a hair trim on his paws?

I await responses and can't wait to learn more about everyone's pups!
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Oh gosh, no, please don't furminator him - baths and trimming his feet is perfect. Weekly baths may also be a little hard on his skin unless he gets really dirty. Using a small tooth metal comb or a slicker brush daily to remove loose hair will help a lot. Using earcleaner/ear wash once a month is good maintenance for his ears.

He is absolutely adorable. You might want to give him just a tiny bit more food but that's about it, but his growth should be slowing down and he is better off a bit on the lean side. Way better off. Just like children, a puppy is going to be on the lanky side at this stage of life and it's much better for his joints not to have excess weight. He will still attain is proper size, just a little more slowly than a puppy that is fed too many calories. Read through the links below and take a close look at the body condition score chart, you will see how close to the ideal 4/5 your puppy is. The average person commenting on his weight is most likely used to seeing overweight pets and doesn't know how lean the proper body weight for a dog actually is. Discuss any concerns with your vet and let him know you want to keep your dog on the fit side of proper weight. Most vet practices are very welcoming of you popping in for a weight check, call and ask if you can come in sooner.

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nolefan,

What is the problem with furminate? You adamately were against it but I wonder why? Our petsmart associates (and I know they are pushing $,but they seem very honest with us) really recommended it. I just want to know what you think about it! Ear wash is a good idea - we have just introduced the toothbrush. We are still learning that is for sure!

Thank you for the comments - he really is adorable! Your pups are beautiful as well - getting them to pose like that had to be fun! lol. But good to hear he is on track to be the right size and we aren't over/under feeding. Maybe we will up to 1.5 cup per meal twice a day.
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Petsmart employees don't know what they are talking about most of the time. Many of them have products and services that they need to sell + they know what's popular with a lot of pet people who have no clue.

You own a 6 month old golden pup and from the looks of it he needs NO GROOMING provided by anyone else but you. That is right now. He does not have excess fur growing out in weird ways. The only thing he needs is at least monthly baths and blow dries + monthly nail trims (just you nipping the very tips of the nails).

Down the road as his ears and feet get shaggy - that will be a good time to check around for a groomer. Except please look at dog groomers at independent shops. Those places are more likely to employ golden retriever people who know how the goldens should be groomed. I personally know of 3 local shops around me that employ professional golden retriever handlers who, among else, specialize in grooming goldens.

Golden retrievers are not poodles or terriers. You don't use electrical clippers on their fur. And they don't need to have their fur trimmed in any area except ears, feet, and tail. Sometimes there is thinning/weeding around the neck/chest, but that's using particular tools designed for that purpose and you aren't clipping them back so severely that they look like they've been trimmed. That's not the only issue with going to some clueless groomers. Among else, a lot of pet owners are led to think that these dogs shouldn't have undercoats which is stupidly wrong. This is a double coated breed. The undercoat is there to protect the skin.

I've seen dogs go to a groomer and they get a body cut (all the fur around the body) clipped to a short length + they get a sanitary cut + feet get trimmed very tight and between the toes. Which all looks terrible. The dogs look like fat mixed breeds. >.< And then the sanitary clips make them prone to some pretty bad infections.

First, the dogs are still shaggy around the ears and tail while everything else has been trimmed short....!

If people have dogs with more skin infections or scratches or whatnot, sometimes it has to do with skin and coat not being healthy, or improper grooming.

Clipping coats short does not solve shedding problems, nor does it stop the matting. When the coat texture changes and becomes softer + the coats are short and tight to the skin, they will still get matts + dirt and other things get to the skin.

What's needed is an owner who knows how to use a wire slicker + has some kind of detangler on hand for when their dogs go running through burrs or get other tangles in the coat. Brushing through the coat once every couple weeks or so will keep the butt feathers, chest hair, leg feathers smooth and untangled. You don't need to trim any of those areas.

If your dog gets any burrs or yard junk tangled in the coat - don't let it stay in the coat. Remove it ASAP. Leaving it in there will cause skin irritation and matting.

Ears grow a lot of soft shag - and that's stuff that somebody with the correct tools can clean out for you. Keeping the excess fluff cleared away is healthier for the ears as well. The ear canals are not obstructed and there's less opportunity for yeast growth in that area. Trimming ears every 3-6 weeks works, depends on the dog. Some never grow shag on the ears. Some grow really messy bed hair that looks funky.

Feet - toenails need to be trimmed on a monthly basis. They will get long and twisted otherwise. And then most goldens grow pretty ugly slippers on the feet. Somebody who knows how to trim for the breed can clean that all up within 5 minutes if your dog is trained to hold still and won't put up a fight over every foot. You get that by trimming feet every month at least.

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As far as shedding goes...you could just have them bathe/blow dry him and trim his nails. The blow dry will blow out all of the loose/shedding hair and help with the shedding around the house. That is part of the reason I groom Denver every 2 weeks or so, just to be able to blow out the loose coat. (Plus he feels soft and clean more often )
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I know what you mean about feeling your pup is too skinny-- mine looked so thin from 5 to 7 months even though I was feeding him plenty because he was growing like a weed! People kept remarking on his thin frame, and I felt so guilty... but his weight was right in line with the averages for his age. He looked a lot like your pup! Better on the thin side than a little chunky
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Bump him up to 3 cups per day fed between 2 meals. He looks a little skinny but not bad. They go through a lanky stage but he does need more right now. He is absolutely adorable!
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Hi Everyone! Recently a new owner of my first Golden Retreiver as of March! We got him at 13 weeks old and he has just been a bundle of joy and wow we already will never get a different breed!

Nash was born on December 1 - making him about 6.5 months old. He was last weighed at the beginning of the month at 58 lbs. Which seems very high actually for his age, but he is growing so fast. However, he looks very skinny. We feed him about 2.5 cups a day of Royal Canin Golden Retreiver Puppy and he chows it down very quickly. It took quite some time to find the food he loved and will just eat dry and of course he picked a very expensive one, but hey he is happy! He received about 2-3 standard size treats a day on a normal day. But boy he looks so skinny. Everyone comments on it and makes me feel like a bad Doggy Dad because people think he doesn't eat! I need some opinions! He sees his vet for regular 6 month check up in a few weeks but wanted to get other opinions first! I have uploaded some photos the best I could get of him to show his body size!

Also - does anyone have any tips on grooming? It is our first dog that sheds this much. We have been bathing him regularly (once a week). But is it time he gets a hair cut? Any good experience with PetSmart - it is very local and convenient. Is the FURMinator package a helpful thing for his shedding? Or should we just consider doing bathing still and a hair trim on his paws?

I await responses and can't wait to learn more about everyone's pups!
I did not take the time to read through the other responses, so forgive me if this has already been said.

First, his weight looks perfect to me! Better for his health to be 2 pounds too lean than 2 pounds too heavy. The people telling you he's too skinny are probably used to seeing dogs who are too fat-most pet dogs in America are overweight.

Next, I am a professional groomer and I would absolutely never use a Furminator on a golden. Will it take out a bunch of undercoat, sure; but it will also rip out topcoat and cut and damage his coat over time. I also do NOT recommend haircuts for goldens. Short or shaved will damage the coat causing it to grow back incorrectly-if it even grows back at all. (Its not common, but in some cases a shaved coat simply doesn't ever grow back or grows back in patchy and makes the dog look like it has mange.) Shaving or short haircuts on a double coated breed (which is what a golden is) will not decrease shedding-it will actually increase it. It will seem to shed less right after the haircut, but that is because what is shedding is a lot shorter. Then when the hair starts growing back, the undercoat (which is what sheds) actually grows back a little thicker each time: so you're creating more undercoat which creates more shedding. Also, the undercoat and topcoat work together to keep the dog cooler in summer and warmer in winter, much like the insulation on your house. When you cut the hair, the undercoat grows back quickly and the topcoat grows back slowly. With the undercoat growing in and the topcoat gone, your dog will literally be baking in his hair without that topcoat to keep airflow going. Also, short hair makes them much more susceptible to sunburn, heat stroke, insect bites, allergies and other skin issues. The best thing to do to help reduce shedding is to bathe (I bathe my own at least once a month-I know of others who do weekly baths.) and brush frequently-the more you brush, the less they shed-try for at least once a week (groomer confession: I often only brush my own dogs when I bathe them unless they get into burrs or something). Use a slicker brush making sure you get areas the mat easily (under and behind ears, tail, feathering on rear, armpits, between hind legs/belly) then an undercoat rake will help pull out any loose/dead undercoat, then follow that with a greyhound comb which will find any mats or undercoat you may have missed-a dog well brushed should have a greyhound comb slide easily through the coat. If you want easier maintenance, I have trimmed up feathering on the rear, belly, and front legs for people, but I never take length off the body (see attached before and after photo-this is about the most trimming I would ever want to do on a golden-he comes pretty regularly so there isn't a huge difference; also something else I would normally do on all goldens is ears, but his owner specifically requested no ear trimming so his ears are still way fluffier than I'd prefer). As far as groomers go, chain store (Petsmart, Petco, etc.) groomers tend to work with quantity over quality so tend to not be the best groomers (not saying they can't be good-I know a former Petsmart groomer who is great-just much more likely to not be good.) Also, if you do decide you want feathers trimmed up, be very specific and cautious-many groomers hear the word "trim" or "cut" and shave the whole dog bald. I always suggest to people that when contacting a groomer for the first time, ask them if they will shave your golden; if they say yes without hesitation, run; if they start explaining to you why shaving a golden wouldn't be the best thing, they have potential.
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