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Your health insurance company will probably come back to you and ask for the dog owner's contact information. The insurance company will go after them for the entire bill for your injuries, since they are at fault they owe all of it.

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I have Medicare and then United Healthcare as my supplement. I hope they both go after them. It is beyond me why anyone would have a breed of dog that is known to suddenly attack for no reason and not have insruance coverage. I was reading up on laws, etc in Texas and I found many companies will not insure bites from pits, stffies, chows, dobies, rotties, even German Shepherds and a number of other rare, but very dangerous breeds. HOWEVER you can get a separate policy and I am sure it costs an arm and a leg.And then to not have them vaccinated agaisnt rabies is totally foolish.


AAbout 8 years ago the guy living across the street had a HUGE yellow lab named Sandy. She was abou 110 pounds and it wasn't' fat. We live on this skinny U shaped street so the hose across from us faces the leb (we are on the top of the bend) so our houses faces the die of that house. Mary lived on around the bend 3 houses down from ours and she walked her fox terrier Prissy 3-4 times a day. One day Sandy Attacked Prissy while Mary was walking her. A first it appears to just be several puncture wounds on her neck and back, but turns out the damage was inside. The skin was pulled away from teh flesh. Mary had to take her in every day to have dead skin cut away from teh wounds. Prissy ended up with a lot of horrible places that had to be kept bandage. I dont' know how many thousands of dollars it ran, but that guy went right to mary and told her he would be paying all her vet bills and he did. It appears these people that had the pits do not care.


Princess Jewel had so very many puncture wounds on he neck, throat, around her ears, her ears, those 5 around that one eye plus split eye lid. indie and outside of her left elbow, on both back legs, but mostly the left as she was on her right side when they pulled her down and I remember how awful it was for Prissy and was worried sick the same would happen to PJ, but thank God it didn't and she healed nicely. You can no longer find scabs, the fur has grown back in the areas where she had to b shaved to treat gashes, wound, etc. I think having all that extra "meat" and fur on throat adn neck helped a lot. Pyrs have that for protection against coyotes, wolves, cougars, bears, etc.


The pciture below was posted on my Pyrenees group and this Great Pyrenees took on a bear alone to protect I think it was alpacas. My poor Jewel apparently has no self protection instinct as she tried to get away from those pits, didn't' even fight back.
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In 20 years working in animal hospitals, and many years doing training, i can say that pit bulls are not more likely to attack "without reason/warning" the way they are portrayed. BUT...they ARE more likely to be dog aggressive. But that is an obvious thing, they owners should have known, and surely did know. It wouldn't be some huge sudden surprise where a dog that was always friendly suddenly became aggressive. But of course, the owners always claim they had no idea, the dog has never done anything like that before, etc etc...it's almost never true though. And so infuriating, because admitting it and taking proper precautions could prevent so much tragedy! And of course, the same people that are irresponsible enough to not have their dogs vaccinated for rabies, and not responsible enough to keep them contained, tend to be the same people that want a "tough" breed like a pit bull....the exact WORST combination. A good pit bull can be the best dog ever...in fact veterinary staff often love them because they are so easy to work with. Super easy to train, almost never fear biters, and they are pain tolerant so not likely to nip at you for giving them a shot. But a bad one, or bad large strong muscular dog in general, is a nightmare. And because they are pain tolerant yes, they are hard to beat off, because they just don't even feel it. And because they are so in tune to their owners, and easy to train, an owner that wants a "mean" dog will get one, because the dog will do anything to please it's master. Ugh.
All those years working with dogs and the worst attacks we had were a labrador and an akita. The labrador...it was so scary, and very aggressive. The owners were in total denial, even though it had nearly killed both their other dogs. When the wife got pregnant we warned her and warned her, and begged her to put the dog down or at least never let it near the baby. She didn't listen, and before the baby was a year old it was in the hospital with a skull fracture from the dog attacking it. Then she went on TV and told everyone how there was "no warning" and the dog had never been aggressive before. Not sure if she was lying to herself or the camera to make herself look less negligent. The Akita was only a puppy and scary, and again we warned the owners, and again they ignored it, and said the dog was fine, and again they had a child end up in the ER after being attacked. He will have permanent scars on his face.
I only knew of one person attacked by a pit, and she'd had a siezure and fell on top of the dog, while seizing and everyone thinks the dog thought she was attacking him and was protecting himself. once she stopped having the seizure he was back to licking her and never bit anyone else again.But, of course the pit bulls we saw in the clinic were the ones owned by responsible people that sought good medical care, stayed up to date on vaccines, etc. The ones that tie their dogs up in the front yard and let them terrorize the neighborhood are not generally the kind of people taking their pet to the vet for regular check ups. I swear I wish there was some kind of class you had to pass to own a dog!

I'm so sorry someone's idiocy had to cost you and your dog so much in pain, trauma, and money. I hope they take responsibility, but given the circumstances, they certainly don't sound like responsible people at all. And I hope those dogs were put down.

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I've been training dogs for a lot of years and I have seen a few Pitts attack with no warning or reason including myself. The one that bit me was a lady with a 60lbs Pitt that was on leash and had been standing next to and in front of me while talking to the lady and was licking my hand giving kisses with the tail wagging normally in the mid position, not high (alert, or stimulated) or low (submissive) and while still wagging the tail, latched on to my hand (had not handled anything including treats). needed 14 stitches on 3 fingers. I haven't yet to this day seen a breed showing normal, relax, happy and stable behavior other then a handful of Pitts. I have no problems with Pitts to this day, but I have seen Pitts bite without warning or provocation and a few were with people they had known for a long time.


As far as owners and denial... that goes hand in hand like peanut butter and jelly. I don't think there is a dog owner that ever thinks their dogs are dangerously aggressive, but just needs some training and will be fine and nothing to worry about until that trainer pours a bit of reality on the situation. Even then I've seen some people say I don't think you're the right trainer and go look for another one that will tell them their dog isn't aggressive and a few sessions is all that is needed to keep the cost down. I would even tell them that the type of training I do isn't for overly aggressive dogs and that a particular dog should be looked at by experienced trainers that deal routinely with aggressive dogs. They would even look at me like I was crazy while the dog was stiff and still whenever it looked at other dogs. Their response... he's fine, he does that so he doesn't make the other dogs feel threatened... lol

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My nephew has a pit named Kena and when we were at their house when we evacuated for Hurricane Harvey, I spent tiem with Kena and she was so sweet. My brother and his wife have a mix they adopted and also had theri daughters 13" beagloe there at the time. We took our Great Pyrenees, Moose with us. He had no problem at all with Macy or Piper coming up to me, etcv, but when Kena was around he would position himself between us. For some reason he did not want Kena near me. When he was sleeping and Kena woudl follow me to another room I could pet on her. Now, I will not go to their house, especially if I hae to evacuate and take Princess Jewel, not after that happened to me twice in 2 moths. I will say the dog that got my hand, I do not think he was actually after me, my hand just happened to be in the wrong place when he went for jewels neck. But that first one, I was alone, walking down the sidewalk after picking up the mail and it slipped or broke his collar or his chain and came straight at me and tried to ge my leg, but only managed to get my wide legged comfy pants and ripe them. He did get the 21 year old next door, but that idiot didn't go to the doctor nor file a report.



Not long after that dog got me & Jewel a lady was killed by her two pits up in Dallas area. They had bitten someone adn were in quarantine and she would go to feed them and exercise them in the exercise area at the animal hospital they were being held in. They attacked her in the exercise area and nobody cold get to her. The police had to shoot them to get them off her. At the same hopsital a few yers ago a young tech was attacked by a pit she had in the exercise yard. He almost killed her, going after her throat and face. She said that hopsital needs to do something to prevent this kind of thing from happening.


And you know, I may hae said it before, but when Gia got her pit back she called out to me "Did you go down?". I thought that an odd question. Cops and EMS told me --after that the other attack on me and Jewel, that if you go down, they will go for your throat and face. Gives me thoughts about what Gia knows about her dogs.

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Sadly Pit bulls DO attack unprovoked! I hate to make sweeping generalizations but...
Back in the days of the Little Rascals, pit bulls (Staffordshire terriers) were the family dog of choice. Who knows what happened, inbreeding, breeding for fighting, very poor breeding policies..... They are aggressive. I know, I know there will be a million people who defend them and say it's poor dog ownership/parenting. Perhaps a combination of both. My Golden was attacked by a pit bull completely unprovoked. She didn't even go near the dog. He made a b-line directly for her, she was 8 months old. It was horrifying. I have since learned that the only way to break the hold of a pit bull is to get a stick of some sort into their mouths. Luckily for my pup and the pit owner, we got him off of her. My vet was open. They cleaned all the wounds and put her on antibiotics. The owner did pay my bill which again-lucky for her was under $200.00.
Insurance companies don't discriminate because these dogs are docile loving family members. They have a history. Unfortunately our shelters (NY) are full of pits and pit mixes.
I hope the OP gets reimbursed for their bills without a problem from the owners. Good Luck.
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I was probably unclear. I don't mean they don't attack unprovoked...dog aggressive pits will attack other dogs just for fun. Same as some people reactive dogs, of any breed. What I more meant was that by the time some terrible attack happens, with blood drawn, stitches needed, etc there will have been signs that the dog is in fact aggressive. Growling, snarling, lunging, etc etc. The dogs in question were known to lunge and bark and growl on their tie out in the yard, they were known to be aggressive dogs. They weren't sweet angels who all of a sudden "turned" and attacked someone/something. That is a myth about the breed I hear a lot, and I was trying to address that.

Dogs who are aggressive need to be seriously dealt with - either lots of professional training/rehab or euthanized. Period. No matter what breed they are. Leaving an aggressive dog to build their rage up day after day, tied in the yard, is just waiting for something terrible to happen. Stupid people!
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The oen that caem after me inDec. and a litter mate are on a Y sahped cahin. It is attached in the garage and when the 10' chain ends, the two 6' ae attached and oen to each end. And they ahve lunged, barking, etc at hubby when he walked our Pyr and he stopped going that way to get off our U shaped street. The man that lives next door (his son and my son use to fish together) told my son he is terrified of them. Ihad long said you can not keep a dog chained like that without some problem. Especially a dog that needs lots of exercise. So far that I know of, it has killed one little dog (got free of it's chain), attacked the 21 year old boy next door (got free of its' chain) and left scars on his leg where it bit, and then got my pant leg and not my leg when it got free and came after me. The man next door to them said it will kill and badly injure a child some day. And the daughter, who owns the dogs, saw the attack on Josh and on me, so they KNOW how dangerous those dogs are, or at least one. I don't know if it was the same oen of the two tht attacked Josh and me & killed that little dog, or the work of both between them. As my neighbor next door said, it is a crying shame when you cant' walk 100 yard s to your mail box without fear of being attacked. They also drive down to get their nail because of those dogs.



I just know I did nothing to provoke that dog from coming at me. I don't even look at them, or directly at them. I was walk with my head down watching for uneven places in the sidewalk, and that day was looking down for places, & going thru my mail,. I just happened to see him running at me out of the corner of my eye. And Neither Jewel nor I did anything to provoke that attack from that those other dogs, was just standing in Dina's driveway talking to her at the corner of her house when the 2ed one shot around the corner and launched at Jewel. i don't' think Jewel even saw it coming as she was watching the street. The first one had sniffed on her and walked back--she didnt' even sniff on him-- but as soon as the 2ed one attacked, the first came back and attacked. I just can't bring myself to trust one adn probably nevef weill.

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The oen that caem after me inDec. and a litter mate are on a Y sahped cahin. It is attached in the garage and when the 10' chain ends, the two 6' ae attached and oen to each end. And they ahve lunged, barking, etc at hubby when he walked our Pyr and he stopped going that way to get off our U shaped street. The man that lives next door (his son and my son use to fish together) told my son he is terrified of them. Ihad long said you can not keep a dog chained like that without some problem. Especially a dog that needs lots of exercise. So far that I know of, it has killed one little dog (got free of it's chain), attacked the 21 year old boy next door (got free of its' chain) and left scars on his leg where it bit, and then got my pant leg and not my leg when it got free and came after me. The man next door to them said it will kill and badly injure a child some day. And the daughter, who owns the dogs, saw the attack on Josh and on me, so they KNOW how dangerous those dogs are, or at least one. I don't know if it was the same oen of the two tht attacked Josh and me & killed that little dog, or the work of both between them. As my neighbor next door said, it is a crying shame when you cant' walk 100 yard s to your mail box without fear of being attacked. They also drive down to get their nail because of those dogs.



I just know I did nothing to provoke that dog from coming at me. I don't even look at them, or directly at them. I was walk with my head down watching for uneven places in the sidewalk, and that day was looking down for places, & going thru my mail,. I just happened to see him running at me out of the corner of my eye. And Neither Jewel nor I did anything to provoke that attack from that those other dogs, was just standing in Dina's driveway talking to her at the corner of her house when the 2ed one shot around the corner and launched at Jewel. i don't' think Jewel even saw it coming as she was watching the street. The first one had sniffed on her and walked back--she didnt' even sniff on him-- but as soon as the 2ed one attacked, the first came back and attacked. I just can't bring myself to trust one adn probably nevef weill.
You definitely didn't cause this. Those idiots keeping dangerous dogs on a chain caused this! Heck, it's been proving that chaining a dog like that can cause aggression all on its own! And now they know they are aggressive, they know they sometimes get loose, and they keep doing it?!?!? I truly hope those dogs are put down. It's a shame, but necessary.

And I get that after experiencing that you won't trust dogs that are the same breed, I think that's instinctive. I've had a pit bull mix, I probably will have another pit bull someday, but I don't blame you.

And I would want to sue those people for way more than medical bills, given that they absolutely knew this could happen and did nothing to prevent it.
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I'm not afraid of Pits, have trained many, but I would never own one. To unpredictable. Roughly 15-20% have aggression bred into them. That isn't something in doing doubt. Nothing you can do with them, those are the ones that attack randomly and without reason. The rest are how they are raised. That in it's self lies the problem. It's unfair to the dogs but it's the overall culture of the breed that leads to not bring a breed to trust.

There is a reason that most insurance companies would insure homes with a pit, Doberman, Rottweiler or Sheppard or they will exclude then from there policies therefore will not cover any bites or aggressive actions from those types of dogs.

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